Let's Add Some Weapons
Now that the season is over and we are concentrating on 2008, I hope we are able to secure some playmakers in all three phases of the game. Maybe some of those playmakers are already on the roster but have struggled with injuries, myself included, that have held us back a little. You can't argue with how the Patriots went outside their locker room and stocked up on playmakers last year. It certainly helped to have Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth, Wes Welker and Adalius Thomas making plays for them all year. I'm surprised that anyone would have a problem with me, or anyone else in the organization, expressing a desire to bring in more quality players. We were 8-8. There is room for improvement. This is a competitive sport. It's about putting together the best players, the best team, and giving yourself the best chance to win. We didn't disrespect anyone when we traded for Takeo Spikes or signed Kevin Curtis last year. I don't think the Patriots were being disrespectful to Troy Brown or Reche Caldwell when they brought in Moss, Stallworth and Welker. Over the past few years, when the 49ers added Nate Clements, the Seahawks added Julian Peterson, the Giants added Plaxico Burress, the Colts added Adam Vinatieri, it was in an effort to add playmakers. In each case the team identified a way to improve and they took action. I don't think that's being disrespectful to any of my teammates. It's certainly not my intention. I bet that anyone who wants to see the Eagles win ? from Mr. Lurie, to the entire locker room, to every Eagles fan who bleeds green would agree.
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MrMarc said January 08, 2008
I'm not sure if you saw this, but a user on here made a prank that you were traded to the Miami Dolphins. What would you do if that happened?
JReddish said January 08, 2008
Just beat the Skins.
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TheDirector said January 08, 2008
Amen to that!
It is really terrific that you're voicing your opinion regarding securing some playmakers for 2008, especially on the offensive side of the ball. We all saw how effective you were with Donte' Stallworth and especially Terrell Owens catching deep balls down the field. It is truly essential to add someone with the same ability and intensity to make the Eagles offense as dangerous as it has been in the past. Unfortunately, many of us aren't confident that Andy Reid feels the same way.
If there is any possible way you can use your leverage to push the issue with the Eagles front office, please do so. I can't help but remember how Tom Brady restructured his contract this year to assist in making the deal for Randy Moss to New England happen, basically doing what he could to help the team win. Now I imagine the Eagles will have plenty of room under the cap this year without needing a financial cut from you… (which none of us would ever ask you to do)... but if there is anyway you can help convince the front office that these weapons are needed, it would payback ten-fold for you, the team, and the fans.
Thanks for sharing Donovan! Best!
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Jeff_Miller replied January 10, 2008
But this leads me to the CHICKEN and EGG question of which came first! Good thoughts though... real good!
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GETusJUST1 said January 08, 2008
First off, I've been waiting for this moment. I've been waiting for the state-of-the-5 address, haha. Thanks for the words of wisdom, they don't fall on deaf ears, not when you bleed green like we do. That's right, sound the alarm, I said "WE". You are just as much a fan as we are, probably more. You don't want to leave the Birds, you're an EAGLE. Your date with destiny is just around the corner, and for real, let's add some playmakers, 100% agreed.
I dont know what the front office is brewing up right now as the Divisionals take place and we fade into the backdrop for a few months. Then BAM, it's March 1st and the NFL world goes bananas. Let's hope the Birds' brass is the fuckin gorilla gettin those bananas.
Wow, that was off the wall, and you know why? Because since I was about 9 years old, I've watched the Eagles win, lose, celebrate, cry, bond, build, dismantle, construct, develop, regress, reach the peak of the mountain, and stumble on the steps of glory. From Randal, to Hoying, to Peete, to Detmer, to Pederson for cryin out loud-- you were and are the best of all of them. Some may argue that Randal was better, but you are obviously a more prolific passer, and plenty of numbers support that.
My point is, in my generation, you ARE the success of the Eagles. I'll be 25 this year. I'm ready for you boys to shine. B-West, the Big Kid, Dawk, Lito, Cole, and my boy Q, I love Q. You guys are small pieces away from blowin teams out of the water. And you know what helps D-Mac? More weapons.
Amen baby.
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PhillyPhanatic said January 08, 2008
Have a great off-season, Donovan. I hope the media lets you take a well-deserved, relaxed vacation.
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ck0712 said January 08, 2008
i would like NOTHING MORE THEN FOR YOU TO STAY HERE TILL U RETIRE......i hope the front office reads this stuff-as for the guy above who posted about the user that put on here the "possible" dolphins deal..........if & if that is where you are headed then i will understand why.....you deserve a superbowl ring, you deserve a front office and a coach that will RESPECT!!!!!!! that will step up & pay what they need to pay to get you your weapons of mass destruction. you are a force that's for sure Donovan & you always will be no matter what team you play with..........i'm hoping it's philly but if it's not then so be it :) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Superkavi said January 08, 2008
I agree completely with bringing in more weapons. No one needs to be offended by that statement. I mean which one of our recievers that is going to the probowl can be upset with that comment? Oh wait, we have no probowl recievers. And which one of our probowl linebackers, safties, corners, Dline can be upset by that comment? Oh wait, we have no probowl defensive players. So what is wrong with bringing in some probowlers? Its the NFL, its a business, its a job. Players get paid plenty of money to go out and perform. In the real world you fire people that keep your business mediocre. Same rule applies in the NFL. Our return game was sad, I mean Reno did his thing and didnt fumble, but he is not a game breaker, most playoff teams have game breakers, and you cant put b west back there. How many returns for TD's did our D have last year? Yeah, i thought so. We need to improve. No one on that roster is safe except for a few people.
But we better go out and get some help now. Andy, time to take another risk, damn the consequences. Balls to the wall attitude is the only one left. We have too many veterans that are at the end of the rope not to do all out. Our O line has one or towo good years left. Bwest wont be around forever. Lets do it now damn it.
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willardj replied January 14, 2008
he turned deion branch into a star, i think that explains enough
Truth4sho said January 08, 2008
Who would you like to throw the ball to ?
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PotsNPans said January 08, 2008
Larry Fitz would look real good in green. That's all I know.
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GoBirds19 said January 08, 2008
Thanks for comming out and saying this go on comcast and espn and 610 and all of those media outlets and let it be known that we need some more playmakers on both sides of the ball to get us back to a shot at a Super Bowl.......We need you to speak for us because we want more talent we want more weapons we want to a to have a parade just like you do so lead the campain for more players!!! Go Birds EAGLES!!
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phileaglesfan replied January 08, 2008
And, that is only because we will have Home field advantage at the Supe Bowl!
GETusJUST1 said January 08, 2008
Green is perfect.
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eagleheaven said January 08, 2008
our wrs are ok , we need to scare people, curtis is our wes welker. But if we bring in some players to PUSH THEM. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT FITZGEARLD, HE IS IN ARIZONA, SO U CAN WORK OUT WITH HIM. IF WE CAN TRADE MAYBE A DRAFT PICK , 4 CHAD JOHNSON
WHATEVER IT TAKES!!!!!1
1ST STEP KEEP YOU IN PHILLY
WE LOVE YOU DMAC
PEACE
eagleheaven said January 08, 2008
SUPER BOWL 2009
Mcnabbfan18 said January 08, 2008
Please stay in Philadelphia , talk to Andy / Heckert and tell them to get you a real #1 WR. You have had shit for WR'S and you have never complained. It's now time for you to get your'e weapons and win a superbowl.
Sincerely ,
Eagle Nation.
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tscott said January 08, 2008
There are some many things I could comment on in regards to the season, the team, etc... But really there is only one thing I want you to know and that is I LOVE YOU, SUPPORT YOU, and would Never want anyone else in QB slot! And I am sure there are so many more of us that feels the same way but unfortunately in this society negativity is what sells and what most folks seems to thrive off of. So on that note I will leave with 1of my favorite quotes from Helen Keller: "Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trail and suffering can the soul be strethened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved." That said I hope that you enjoy your offseason and I look forward to seeing 100% healthy YOU spring 2008!
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tkearney609 said January 09, 2008
Thanks for your thoughts, and expressing your concern that most of us fans have been screaming to the heavens this past year. I would love to see you and the team get some extra help where needed. You can never have enough playmakers. Here are my thoughts on positions of concern.
OLine depth
TE - I think Celek is a stud, and having you throw to him will really benefit his career, but I would like more depth and experience at the position. Especially, if LJ is gone.
WR - Everybody and anybody, fans, media, press, players, etc know having another weapon..hopefully a playmaker would stretch the field and open things up for the rest of the offense. Just look at what TO brought to the team before he decided to self destruct.
DE - If Kearse and Howard are gone, this is a high priority that needs addressing either through the draft or free agent market.
CB - Sheldon and Lito are a tough tandem, but more depth, especially in nickle and dime coverages would help.
Safety - would like to see the front office did what they did when they drafted Sheldon and Lito. Groom a replacement for BDawk.
Special Teams - this in my opinion should be a high priority for front office in the offseason. Having a reliable and effective return game would shorten the field for the offense.
stevies said January 09, 2008
I dont know why Reid said that about putting down your own teamates. I think he's feeling the heat and getting defensive cause he feels he has more to lose than you do Donovan. He probably does, but with that attitude, he will.
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Stugs1 said January 09, 2008
Thanks for doing this, it helps to hear someone in the organization suggest that there is a level of improvement that can be attained, especially when the perception that the organization is happy making the playoffs versus making changes to win a Super Bowl.
I think the Patriots and Tom Brady are a great example, but I will point out that in order for the team to make those moves, Tom Brady restructured his deal. In order to be the best you have to learn from the best. Are you willing to restructure your deal to make Getting Larry Fitzgerald or getting Chad Johnson as you example did?
If so it would be a great team move and personal PR move. Making what you want (and what the fans want) possible by not just saying what the management should do and by doing something yourself as well and taking the first step to lead this team back to the elite. You would be loved, as unselfishness for team preservation is the ultimate badge of honor in sports, especially in this town.
Spotella said January 09, 2008
I'm so happy you spoke of this. Maybe now the media will stop talking about you being traded. No, scratch that, nothing ever stops them from throwing in a monkey wrench where it's not needed.
Anyway, I couldn't agree with you more. You guys are still a great team, but you need some help and I do think you are the person who can most tell us exactly what help is needed. I hope the front office listens to you.
Also, please note, much of negative media coverage about the team, and how the fans feel about you and the team, is only media hype. It's just the press trying to boost ratings. There may be a handful of people with bad feelings but the vast majority love the team. We love our EAGLES!
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johnm19 said January 09, 2008
I've argued for years if I was starting a team I'd pick you first, based on your talent, maturity and demeanor. thanks for becoming vocal leader as well, I truley believe the philly fans want you to be successful.
gttouchdown said January 09, 2008
Do you think there is any chance that Ocho Cinco could come to Philly? Is that someone you would like to throw too? We have to bring in some help at the WR postion, it will make everyone better.
Good Luck in the offseason!
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BirdzofPrey said January 09, 2008
By the way, I loved the play of the linebackers at they end of the season (for once). I think with another year under the belt Gaither can become an excellent backer, and the play of Stewart Bradley is something to look forward too.
And why didn't Victor Abiamiri or Tony Hunt see the field this year, I don't get it. We draft these kids but they dont play for a year or two .....I don't get it!
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green4ever said January 09, 2008
As a Season Ticketholder and in general as an Eagles fan I hope Eagles management starts the process now of stepping out of their past evaluation process and start to take a serious looks at all positions. They need to start today working on significantly upgrading a majority of them with free agency and the draft. If the Patriots can revamp like they did in a year (and the Eagles supposely copy themselves after the Pat's) than they need to take action and do so like the Pat's
Thanks Donovan for sticking your head out and keeping it real!
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RSCDoug said January 09, 2008
I hope the organization does what it can to bring in a solid #1...A little help goes a long way! Go Birds in '08!
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UsuckMcnabb said January 09, 2008
Tired of you in Philly
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wopalach said January 09, 2008
I agree whole-heartedly. Thanks for stepping up and speaking the truth. Don't worry about disrespecting your teammates. Everyone involved (the players, the fans, the staff) knows the truth about what we (the Eagles) are. Sometimes the truth hurts, but understanding is the only way to move forward. See you in 08!
DocRuss said January 09, 2008
All I can say is thanks. Keep hammering them.
Bran20 said January 09, 2008
Hey Don,
It would be great it we could push for Larry Fitzgerald....HE would be a great fit! He would be the only receiver that requires double teams.........the truth is Reggie Brown is a true number 2 and Kevin Curtis is really a nice number three! \
Check me out...
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ATLeagle said January 09, 2008
First of all, AMEN!!!
Second, I SOOOOOOOO hope that this is not a PC attempt to piss off the Eagles Mgmt so they'll trade you. I hope they listen and I hope to see you in Green next year!
BigPhillyMan said January 09, 2008
Long time reader first time commenting. Gotta say, you are the man. I was so glad to hear that you will be the starter next season. I just could not imagine my eagles without you leading the offense.
To your comments, preach on brother. This is a side of you I love seeing. As the leader of this team, you have every right to make these comments, and to be as outspoken as you have this season. If any other players are offended and worried they might be replaced, well, then they obviously know they haven't been doing their jobs. You deserve to have a premier wide receiver ( no disrespect to Reggie or Kevin, I love them both, but they're not #1 receivers, lets face it) and management shouold make that a priority this offseason. You have a dynamic weapon at RB with Westbrook, now you just need to complete the offense with a playmaker, solid #1 receiver.
Keep up the great work and continue to get back to 100%. As a true Green blooded Eagles fan, I cannot wait to see the next season.
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LifeOfJason said January 09, 2008
I'm a lifelong Eagles fan. I bleed green. I'm sick of 47 seasons without a championship. I want to see this team win as much as the next guy but we have to progress past the point where Donovan is seen as some kind of Savior that the rest of the team should bow before and give complete blind faith.
We've had problems for years getting over the hump and let's look at the common threads through it. One of them is Donovan himself and no amount of saying we need playmakers or other players is going to change the fact that he has not been one of the elite quarterbacks in the NFL over the last few seasons.
I'm sure I'll be lumped in with the "Haterz" but I'm just a fan who's tired of all the talk and all the comments from Donovan about how it's everyone else's fault but his own. When the playmaker he wanted was there Donovan didn't get it done. It's not opinion, it's simple fact. Why should we think if he gets another playmaker receiver it's going to make any more difference?
The time for Donovan to talk is over. It's put up or shut up time because right now his game is not backing up any kind of grandstanding in the media. I would be very happy to see a new starting quarterback for the Eagles next year because right now Donovan McNabb is at best a mediocre NFL starting quarterback. If we want to look at the overall team, we have to stop making Donovan a golden calf and consider that a change at quarterback is a good and viable option.
jeffrey24 replied January 10, 2008
before that he had a better winning % than the golden boy tom brady thats right so how can you say mcnabb hasent got the job done whose gonna do better wake up 3 years he has had bad injuries.
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Bryant D.
MexicanLawyer said January 09, 2008
Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson
The way the Eagles have disrespected you over the years, along with the fans from the moment you were drafted is simply atrocious. I am a Detroit Lion fan, and I think you should consider the Detroit Lions versus putting up with the same crap from the Eagles. The Ford Family are not afraid to spend money however if you consider Detroit request an open forum with the front office where you can be part of the recruitment for the necessary talent Detroit needs. Millen is not a bad guy, but he just didn't have a plan before. I think he has a plan. I know the moment you put on #5 for Detroit, you will be the best Quartback in Lion History.
-Detroit Fan
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GETusJUST1 said January 09, 2008
Haha, Donny is an EAGLE. And he will be for 2008.
Rudeboy1086 said January 09, 2008
The media is already feasting of your blog. fuk em.
Ocho Cinco!! just think there will be no more CB blitz, and i dare them to bump him.
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willardj said January 10, 2008
From my standpoint, I can tell that it is tough for you to play in a city that has a critical media and fan base, so you have a sub-par year as you get older your play slowly degresses and now you ask for more playmakers because apparently you are looking for yet another excuse that isn't your age and mental stability. Look how far you got this team with todd pinkston, james thrash, and duce staley! I wouldn't call those players primetime weapons but you got to the nfc championship game numerous times with them! I just hope that you can admit to that you are getting older so that Reid doesn't have to play you in the last three meaningless games in order to up your trade value while taking away valuable experience from Kolb! You should be supporting Kolb as Doug Pederson did to you late in his career. You are lucky to be getting so many positive responses from all of these great fans. They will live and die with you! At least in return, take part of the blame for not making the playoffs and step up by saying "I can play better, I need to step up in order for us to make the playoffs" that is all you have to say to get us "critical" fans to support you again. Say those magical words and you will get a lot more media support and maybe even more years in this city. Whoever is reading this, your secretary or whatever, please tell Donovan this so that we can be the team we once were.
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Azazel said January 10, 2008
I love this team, this city, the players for the most part...and you as our QB...
BUT...I will say the same thing I said about Grandpa Favre last season......
Donnie....Shut Up.
you are a player, nothing more and that ice the fans have you on is getting thinner and thinner. You will be here for at LEAST next year and probably the year after, dont make this hard on yourself.
You have no right to speak up about team functions or management. Try being the leader and playmaker you are supposed to be.....finish rehabbing, get the confidence back, and play like we all know you can next season. until then, unless it has to do with your knee or your practicing...I dont wanna hear a damn thing out of your mouth, your dad's mouth, and not mamma wilma either....shut up and work. if you have something to add or request do it proffesionally...talk to Andy or Jeff.....but don't do it this way, let us see you as the QB and the leader on the field......
as for the birds.....we need to turn that first round pick into 2 and we need to make a trade for a Fitzgerald or Ocho Cinco...or hell lets go for the stars and get randy....
bring the team to the super bowl in '08-'09.......
'nuff said
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tell them "Azazel" sent you.
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MsEaglesAllDay said January 10, 2008
Some of you people posting make me sick. If he says nothing, you're angry that he won't open his mouth about the struggles the team has had at the WR position for so many years. When he DOES say exactly what thousands of Philly fans have been screaming and whining about the past TEN YEARS, on tv, at sports bars, on messageboards, on blogs (Yardbarker included) he's criticized and deemed "unprofessional". To even bring Terrell Owens into the equation at this point is ridiculous. He came here, and for whatever reason, likely one we will NEVER TRULY KNOW, it didn't work out in the long run. GET OVER IT! Fact of the matter is, someone with his capability needs to be here, as well as a compliment to Westbrook, as well as a return game, and so on and so forth. This man is only asking for the SAME EXACT THING all of us have been crying for since we can remember, yet now that HE says it, suddenly it's unspeakable and tawdry. I swear, some of you seem to live solely to run onto his blog and post biased, asinine drivel. I was at the Buffalo game on the 30th and I had Eagles "fans" in the row behind me stand up and boo when he came onto the field during introductions, and when he threw the INT, but they sat silently, without the slightest bit of happiness for most of the game as he completed passes, and had a successful showing. It was sorely obvious that they weren't even concerned with the team succeeding...they just wanted our quarterback to fail. If it weren't so incredibly unfortunate to witness this dissention, both on here and out there, it would actually be hilarious.
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mw0421 said January 10, 2008
eagles5436 said January 10, 2008
Bottom Line:
We need adjustments like every team in the NFL does. We need to draft well which we have in the past we need to be aggressive in the free-agent market. A big aggressive WR would be great, a power fullback would help as well. But all and all I completely agree with #5 we need to spend $$$$$$$.
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LincRat said January 10, 2008
So then I ask you again: How committed are you? and how much are YOU willing to sacrifice?
PhillyPhanatic said January 10, 2008
And McNabb should reconstruct his contract in a way in which he would make less money? If anything, he should get a raise.
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willardj replied January 15, 2008
um you are forgetting the 2 million signing bonus he gets with us next year.
you need to realize that it was your man donovan who ran to out of this town. he tries to sell his story to the media instead of confronting TO by himself. TO just didn't like mcnabb's style as a player and leader thats why TO criticized mcnabb and that caused mcnabb to tell the media and that basically ended To with this team. TO will probly stay with dallas with the rest of his career because he likes romos competitiveness and is apparently willing to cry at a press conference. Well anyway, the way it all started with Drew Rosenhaus immidiately trying to renogotiate a contract once he becomes owens agent.
alright fine, keep posting your idiotic comments while making us all stupider...
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Jimmy Johnson
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Mowse_Tails said January 10, 2008
And to be honest with you, Donovan( assuming you'll read this at some point), I do not think the Eagles have all the parts necessary to make a legitimate run (i.e make the Super Bowl).
I mean, Westbrook has been fantastic when healthy, but as I'm sure you or any sensible person would know, the play from your receivers has not been that consistent. And when you're not being consistent, you're not getting even first downs, much less TOUCHdowns.
Also, it does make it rather difficult to win in the "trenches" when you don't have a large, dominant force dictating the course of play in his area. I mean, Mike Patterson is a good athlete, but look at Minnesota, San Diego, and Jacksonville's run defense: they have at least one big man in control.
I know you guys were struggling to find the right fit with punt returns, so I expect you guys are already looking to fill that position.
Best wishes, Ben.
PS: draft a DT, corner, or safety early ; )
WCPhan said January 10, 2008
Vidneras said January 10, 2008
Hah! I wish.
In all seriousness though, I agree. It's not a bad thing to desire some weapons outside of your own locker room. If there are certain players that would flourish in the Eagles' system better than the ones that are currently there, then it would be silly to NOT bring those people in. By trying to "spare" feelings, you're limiting the Eagles potential to be an even better team. There's nothing disrespectful about your desire. It's probably safe to say that anyone who sees it as disrespectful, is probably being a little selfish.
Speaking of which, if you feel someday, that you'd be a good weapon for the 49ers, I'll pay for your plane ticket and drive you to San Francisco, myself.
Haha, sorry Philly, California needs awesome quarterbacks, too! Please share yours. =P
FLYeagleFLY said January 10, 2008
Now onto the WR topic I agree Chad Johnson would make a difference, but I wouldnt go trading Trent Cole away for him. How about a kid like Bryant Johnson from Arizona who had decent numbers with very little playing time while playing behind Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald. What about Bernard Berrian? Bernard could be a good addition to a team with a "GREAT" QB.
Heres to '08-'09......
BMilez21 said January 10, 2008
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Jeff_Miller said January 10, 2008
He (#5) HAD a playmaker (#81) to go along with the true playmaker (#36) and #5 CRIED caused 81 was gettin too much attention and press. PUHLEASE!!!
#5 please opt out and head to Chicago and good ridden you CRY BABY!!
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our defense was number 6 or 7
mang671 said January 11, 2008
birdman007 said January 11, 2008
willardj replied January 12, 2008
there is no way we draft chris long unless we are willing to trade two later picks to go higher in the first round. a more REALISTIC pick for the eagles is drafting limus sweed out of texas if he drops to the second round.
if we dont draft a KR then we will probably go for someone like bernard berrian who can be a great reciever in our offense as well as an excellent return man.
overall, our team doesn't need playmakers we will be fine with picking up some solid players in the offseason but we dont need any top dollar players. the biggest offseason decision will be trading mcnabb. id like to see us trade him in the draft so we can move up a spot in the first round or get a couple of lower picks.
greenblood said January 11, 2008
Donny:
Think about your uniform. Remember them 12 Giant handprints on it? Remember scoring 53 points against the Lions? Remember throwing up in Jacksonville and Syracuse? I'd be fired for your record of inconsistency. Quit blaming your weapons for your habit of hobbling around in the backfield while throwing the ball at your teammate's feet or over their head. You don't need weapons. You need hand-to-eye coordination. And a little bit of faith in someone other than B-West.
You'd look pretty good with a Bear claw on your helmet. You'd look even better like a deer in our headlights twice a year.
teeflury said January 11, 2008
Have a great off-season and STAY STRONG!!!!
Teresa
erndawger said January 11, 2008
willardj replied January 12, 2008
imagine if mcnabb did this like any other nfl qb, wouldn't we be better off with the recievers we have?
erndawger replied January 23, 2008
Dizzle42187 said January 11, 2008
eagleman94 said January 11, 2008
willardj replied January 12, 2008
eaglesrbest said January 11, 2008
I think the media does selective reading. They keep talking about the blog but forget to mention the very first paragraph. They just keep addressing that you said we need more playmakers. You mentioned in your blog that perhaps some of the playmakers needed are already on the roster but struggled due to injuries, yourself included. Just ignore the media, you have done an excellent job with the Eagles since you were drafted and I hope to have you here until you retire from football. You are the best quarterback they have ever had and your record and stats prove it. I guess the media also has selective memory. They only remember the few bad games and forget the many seasons of good football. Keep up the good work and keep bleeding GREEN!
willardj replied January 12, 2008
erndawger replied January 23, 2008
THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE OR TWO
jason20536 said January 11, 2008
Here! Here! We need more playmakers. You have been our playmaker for years and you still are. But you need help. We've lost Freddie Mitchell, T.O. (thankfully), and Pinkston. We need a big receiver. One who can burn a DB and draw double coverage to give Brown and Curtis more opportunities. We have playmakers on defense. L.J. needs to be resigned. I don't think people realize how good he is when he's healthy. We need him back. We definitely need an explosive return man. And some guys on special teams who can block. We haven't had one since Brian Mitchell. Westbrook is great, but we can't risk injury on a guy that good over something like special teams. He's just too important to offense. That would be like playing you at linebacker. We have playmakers on defense. They just lost something this season. Dawk was out a lot this year. One playmaker on defense will get all the other guys fired up to get those interceptions. I just wanted to tell you that you're right. Every Eagle's fan should agree with you. If they don't, then they don't want us to win. Good luck next year. I know you'll be great.
willardj replied January 12, 2008
lj smith will ask for a lot and since he had no impact on our offense this year there is no chance we resign him.
the reason teams get interceptions is not because they get "fired up" that doesn't make any sense. they get interceptions by getting consistent pressure on the qb and forcing him to make a bad throw. the eagles primarily use their DEs to get pressure. and since kearse and howard did nothing this year we had little interceptions. having trent cole and juqua thomas and sometimes broderick bunkely and DE won't get consistent pressure. thats the only playmaker that we need, not a wr, not a safety, but a DE. we can easily get a KR in the draft.
i wouldnt be saying good luck next year because, face it man, He isn't returning. thats why he just called out all of his teammates asking to get playmakers. because he knows his time in philly is extremely limited. its not just that hes a negative influence on the field, he has a negative influence off the field as well, and this article he wrote is a primetime example.
bigcityballer said January 11, 2008
LaAguila said January 11, 2008
Sheila said January 11, 2008
eaglesfan101 said January 11, 2008
omorales36 said January 11, 2008
IcyHeat said January 12, 2008
Dizzle42187 replied January 12, 2008
willardj replied January 12, 2008
eagleman94 said January 12, 2008
KARENZAPOT said January 12, 2008
tomkilroy said January 12, 2008
McMiss, you need to learn how to pass a football, then maybe your receivers will be able to catch it.
Just because you have a catapult for a arm, doesn't make you a quarterback.
Quit your whining and put the team first, then maybe the team will put you first.
I hope this is your last year in a Eagles uniform.
Bye-Bye McMiss!!!!!!!
mcd1050 said January 12, 2008
Then we need another D end and another cornerback.
decfeb said January 12, 2008
I have seen multiple interception playoff games,championship games and a superbowl. Inaccurate passes have plegged his career every year he has been in Philly, regardless of who the potential receivers has been. I believe some looking in the mirror should be done, prior to a call for better/more weapons. Instead of blogging your way out of town, just ask to be traded.... We will all still "bleed green" win or lose, while you are misreading defenses, getting injured and throwing interceptions and dirt balls in another uniform. Brady had a tremendous completion percentage and superbowl rings prior to Moss, Welker or Thomas' arrival. I also do not recall every seeing him "barfing" on the field.
Qwest336 said January 12, 2008
Your comments show the problem with many of our fans. McNabb has been the best QB in Eagles history. He has won in the regular season and in the postseason. And while you are complaining about interceptions, he has thrown nearly 100 more TD's than INT's. You complain about innaccurate passes when he has hovered around 60% his whole career. His worse year statistically is better than many QB's BEST years (i.e. his 77.8 rating in his worst season is better than Eli Manning's best rating of 77) even though most of those QB's have many more weapons in the passing game. If McNabb had Burress, Toomer, Shockey and Barber like Eli did, he would have been over 100 QB rating every year like he was the year he had Me-O. But instead, you want to talk about him barfing on the field. McNabb has been a standup guy and will readily admit when he has been the problem in games and when he has underperformed. But that's not good enough for some. And because it's not good enough for you, he can't make a true statement? Get over yourself.
willardj replied January 14, 2008
Eat5sNutStrap said January 13, 2008
kevin kolb? what exactly has kolb done to warrant calls for him to play? he may have been OK in college, but conference USA and the NFL are two very different leagues.
donovan effin mcnabb is the greatest QB in eagles history, period. he is not our best chance to win, he is our ONLY chance. get him some playmakers not named brian westbrook and he will reclaim his place among the elite NFL QBs.
and i am going to take this opportunity to settle the 'mcnabb puked in the super bowl' bullshit.
the NFL has hundreds of cameras surrounding the field, more than regular games, to ensure that the officials get calls right. so you're telling me that with all these cameras, NOT ONE of them picked up donovan puking? hm.
but i guess if freddie mitchell said it happened, it must be true...
willardj replied January 14, 2008
hes puked three times before, even in college he'd always puked in the big games
eagleman94 said January 13, 2008
willardj replied January 14, 2008
G8RB8R said January 08, 2008
fpb52455 said January 13, 2008
Your inconsistent and seem to choke under big game Pressure.
Like Joe Montana Brady is a field general you are not so whats your next excuse going to be.
Tom is Good with his weapons but He'd be good anywhere. Its not how fast you can
run or how strong your arm is it's how you can handle Pressure and you Sir can't
A NFL QB is a leader not necessarily the best athlete but a Leader .look at Mike Vick he is
a great Athelete but a Lousy QB(leader) Grow up and take charge wuit making excuses
hei2183 replied January 15, 2008
hei2183 said January 13, 2008
davedavedave said January 13, 2008
One of those statistics is "completed passes," but the fact is that the quarterback NEVER "completes" a pass -- it is the RECEIVER who "completes" the pass. And since this is the case, when the quarterback throws a PERFECT pass, right into the hands of the receiver, and the receiver still DROPS it, WHY IS THIS CHARGED AGAINST THE QUARTERBACK, as an "incompleted" pass?
The statistical category for evaluation purposes should be changed from "completed/not completed passes" to "catchable passes/non-catchable passes." Now, THAT would be a fair measure of the quarterback's passing ability, not what we have now.
Good luck.
Dave from Philly
Qwest336 replied January 13, 2008
CHANGE THE RATING.
willardj replied January 14, 2008
lifetime21 said January 13, 2008
lifetime21 said January 13, 2008
lifetime21 said January 13, 2008
kimmyb said January 14, 2008
ibleedgreen81 said January 14, 2008
I know its off the subject but how great was it to see T.O cry? lol
Chas128 said January 14, 2008
Worse was reids insulting voice mail - 'not to worry'. GEEZ, what a bunch of crapola.
With that voicemail behing drafting Cobb it was crystal clear that they wanted to start the drums beating to get McNabb out of Philly by using the fans to start the ball rolling. Yet all the talking heads could babble about was how great a year we were going to have with receivers that couldn't make most other teams taxi squads.
It soon caught up with us and the mis-management became obvious especially when comparing the Eagles moves with the Pats
Donnie has every right, considering that treatment, to speak out and try to get public pressure on Lurie and reid to go out and get some players. Thank God he cares!
If it weren't for Westbrook surprising them by being what he is, all we would have is McNabb.
Getting them both help has the potential to building a dynasty here for years to come. All we really need is ownership that has a real interest in doing a complete job and not just half a job like we've had to live with for too long.
k9hndlr said January 14, 2008
brian120382 said January 14, 2008
judgeandjury replied January 14, 2008
hei2183 replied January 15, 2008
brian120382 said January 14, 2008
steve01 said January 14, 2008
Eagles2007 replied January 14, 2008
(post #88)
If you want to destroy me, why don't you start by criticizing my message here(#112)? People who come to message boards and talk tough like you are the most cowardly and least intelligent of all. Do you clean bathrooms for a living? Do you vacumm floors or take out the trash? You are either a child or an obtuse adult. Either way, you aren't worth my time.
I don't even know what issue you want to debate. Why don't you take a few months to gather your thoughts. Try to present a logical argument. By that time, McNabb will be out of Philadelphia. Have fun completing the eigth grade, little boy.
willardj replied January 15, 2008
(Trenton Times)- We looked for trades for mcnabb during the season- the best offers we got were 2 middle round picks.
(To Pam Oliver before Dallas game)- "I feel the organization distancing itself from me. Wherever I go next, I will play hard"
if you have been following this team for as long as I have you know when a qbs time is up.
You say that we are arrogant and ignorant. is that your only comeback because you can't think of anything good to say about mcnabb?
never post again until you have something intelligent to say.
hei2183 replied January 16, 2008
erndawger replied January 26, 2008
Then what will be your excuse then?????? we will be like the Saints early years(The Aints)
steve01 said January 14, 2008
reneetony said January 14, 2008
Eagles2007 said January 14, 2008
Manning, Wayne, and Addai lost at home to the Chargers, who didn't have LT or Rivers. Billy Volek led San Diege to victory.
Rome and Owens lost at home to Eli Manning, Steve Smith, and Amani Toomer. The Giants didn't even have Plaxico Burress or Jeremy Shockey.
Randy Moss and Terrel Owens have a grand total of ZERO Super Bowl rings.
Eli Manning is better than McNabb.
willardj replied January 15, 2008
hei2183 replied January 16, 2008
eagleman94 said January 15, 2008
eagleman94 said January 15, 2008
willardj replied January 15, 2008
willardj replied January 15, 2008
eagleman94 said January 15, 2008
willardj said January 15, 2008
marqmoz replied January 15, 2008
You haven't said one positive thing yet... u are a born hater. McNabb is the best thing for the Eagles right now, not Kolb. And if McNabb gets traded, whatever team he goes to will have a better chance of making the playoffs and going to the super bowl than we will. Pray he stays Green.
willardj replied January 15, 2008
hei2183 replied January 16, 2008
willardj replied January 22, 2008
pam oliver reported mcnabb saying the organization was distancing itself from him
Mcnabb's article right here
there are plenty more if you want more
MrMcCune said January 14, 2008
greenblood said January 15, 2008
when you stop throwing the ball over your receiver's head...
when you stop throwing the ball five feet in front of your receiver..
when you stop throwing the ball 60 mph at a receiver 5' away...
when you stop throwing the ball to your first checkdown...
when you can say "yo andy. b-west has 5 runs for 30 yards. let's stuff it down their throat and see what he can do".
then, and only then, you can legitmately complain about a lack of playmakers.
look at your performance in your first seven games. you were not the playmaker. you were the dude hobbling around on a repaired knee, putting us fans in the worst position to win. that's your coach's fault, but you sucked for most of the season. and you let him stick you in under center when you should have said 'yo fatboy. i ripped up my knee last year. nfw i can play before december."
go to arizona and work on ACCURACY! you can't hit a receiver in stride. you're so inconsistent in the long ball and you throw a 5 yarder as if it were a 50 yarder. you'll never get better if you don't recognize the problem.
it's not the weapons, donny. it's the trigger.
for three years i've been saying "andy/donovan reached their nadir when donny threw up in jacksonville." and since we haven't gotten to the super bowl since then, i'm on pretty solid ground.
making plays starts behind center.
tomlizzio said January 15, 2008
pataguejb said January 15, 2008
willardj replied January 15, 2008
no player has the right to criticize their own teammates
pataguejb said January 15, 2008
willardj replied January 15, 2008
reid has been a great coach since day one and always will be. last year, any reid gave over his play calling duties to marty morninweg because reid is not a quick thinker. he has good offensive schemes and prepares this team extremely well in practice but he is not a good gameday coach.
his philosophy is what made us have an extremely close game with the pats. we were prepared to win that week and were definitely more prepared then the pats were (they had to adjust to us). But we still lost because their personell was better then ours.
you need to realize that reid is one of the best coaches in the nfl. you are correct, he has made some bad coaching decisions over the course of his career, but so has every coach.
pataguejb said January 15, 2008
willardj replied January 15, 2008
whenever mcnabb gets injured you guys keep saying that he will get better next year, but the fact is, he doesn't.
eagles75 replied January 16, 2008
steve01 said January 15, 2008
willardj replied January 15, 2008
"You can not argue the mans winning percentage"- about .500 in the last three years is not 'winning' (im talking about mcnabb's percentage not the teams- just so there is no confusion)
i cannot argue with you because you never seem to be reading any of our posts correctly...
maybe read them and you can see exactly why we don't think mcnabb is returning next year.
you do have your opinion, and no one can take that opinion away from you. yet your opinion is extremely delusional and your main argument is that our argument doesn't make any sense.
"You guys amuse me...I do not think there is any debate about what I said. The top contenders going into the playoffs were the teams I mentioned."
in your original post you mention all of the teams with a stud WR and half of them lost, so you therefore are wrong. why can't you see that?
why can't you see that good WRs don't make a bad qb good?
look at mcnabb with pinkston, thrash, and lewis from '01-'03
these are number three recievers at best, and mcnabb is still able to go to the nfc championship game 3 times with them
now mcnabb has curtis, brown, and avant who are actually be pretty good and mcnabb can barely even create a drive occasionally.
if you think that mcnabb will get this team to another superbowl, that is YOUR opinion. If think that a qb with annual injuries can all of a sudden return back to his prime then you will be sadly mistaken.
eagles75 replied January 16, 2008
eagleman94 said January 15, 2008
willardj replied January 15, 2008
although there probably is a little more leverage to the white qb, there is no reason for mcnabb to play the race card when he has a season about to begin
eagleman94 said January 16, 2008
willardj replied January 16, 2008
steve01 said January 16, 2008
willardj said January 16, 2008
alright, if you guys really want another year like this year and last year and the year before...
steve01 replied January 16, 2008
willardj said January 16, 2008
steve01 replied January 17, 2008
willardj replied January 17, 2008
steve01 replied January 18, 2008
willardj replied January 22, 2008
viking949 said January 16, 2008
You have been so pitiful in that gross green eagles halloween custome you need to switch colors to the beautiful PURPLE AND GOLD OF THE VIKINGS. God knows we need a Quality QB, we've got 3 guys who can't even add up to 1. Please let me know what's your asking price and I'll write you a check, however, you can't cash it for another 15-20 years. How about a straight trade, our 3 top of the line qb's for you - PLEASE RUN THIS BY MR. BIG GUY ANDY AND GET BACK TO ME ASAP - THANKS!!!!
Rikk/CA.
eagles75 replied January 16, 2008
FIVE4SIXXX said January 16, 2008
herbman said January 16, 2008
ANyone got something to say.. email me.
Marc@KissmyEagles@ss.com
Super5istheman replied January 19, 2008
eagles75 said January 16, 2008
I konw your not going to read this, but hopefully u will. thanks for what youj have done and what you will do for us. i am able to start from scratch, if you do u should have some recievers who could help you. not t.o. cause he is a cry bavy. always was alway will be.......... need a big performer other than westbrook.........................u need supporters................... chad johnson...........he not the best but at least the eagles organization will try to help you. Dont't worry your not alone, Or maybe yes you are.... I would love for you to stay..................... but these cheap ass eagles are not going to support you with some quality big time all star players that you deserve... love u and will miss you.
ed ribeiro
since 81
that right i was only 6
PHILLYMAC said January 16, 2008
PHILLYMAC said January 16, 2008
KNOCKTIN3 said January 16, 2008
KNOCKTIN3 said January 16, 2008
wordyofreal said January 17, 2008
I'm a big fan of yours, but I am wondering what you hoped to accomplish with a public call for playmakers, as opposed to going and talking to Tom Heckert and Coach yourself?
--Praz
SFCBenny said January 17, 2008
smitty198080 said January 17, 2008
eagles12 said January 17, 2008
As far as the weapons go. I saw someone talking about going after Stallworth after the superbowl. C'om on!!!!! That bum was on the Eagles and he stunk!!! Hey Lurie!, How about spending some of that money your piling up in your office for some "playmakers!"
willardj replied January 18, 2008
plenty of people in this world have gone through adversity while doing their jobs and don't get paid millions of dollars each year. its not like he's volunteering to be our quarterback, we are paying him. donovan acts like its the oppositie sometimes. there are plenty of other people who would gladly take his job. its up to mcnabb to fight for his job because, right now, his job is on the line and he needs to prove that he can lead this team to a championship.
mrowley said January 18, 2008
barretthead said January 18, 2008
westcoasteagle said January 18, 2008
llhhaammii said January 19, 2008
http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/PHILLYS_NEXT_SUPERSTAR_TOMMY_Z/76948
infamie said January 19, 2008
lifetime21 said January 19, 2008
D-MAC,CHAD,CURTIS,WEST,BROWN,LJ SMITH SUPER BOWL BABY IN 08
lifetime21 said January 19, 2008
ghucdalus said January 19, 2008
Latinferno said January 19, 2008
Tier 1
Chad Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Randy Moss
Tier 2
Roy Williams
Javon Walker
Dallas Clark
Teir 3
Bernard Berrian
D.J. Hacket
Donte Stallworth
Bryant Johnson
We should stockpile some wide recievers and pick up the best available defender. Who is that? Well none other than Kansas City Chiefs DE JARED ALLEN.
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Super5istheman said January 19, 2008
ghucdalus said January 19, 2008
philly10eagle said January 20, 2008
chuckt61 said January 23, 2008
Keep talking the truth 5, there are many out here who applaud it.
JonkeyJones said January 24, 2008
willardj replied January 26, 2008
diderotn said January 24, 2008
Eagles2007 said January 25, 2008
See for yourself: http://www.probowlonline.com/pro-bowl-past.php
brettman said January 26, 2008
Brettman
Eagles2007 said January 27, 2008
I'll give you a free piece of advice. When you write(post # 241.1): "your a hater", use you're instead of your. I know you failed to learn very much in grammar school. You should use your when you write something like: Your dog is a nice animal.
You should use you're when you write something profound like(post # 242): "Your correct you are SORRY, hands down, you are truly a stupid moronic prick who has no football knowledge and post nothing but useless worthless drivel and has no facts to support them", as you did in your post directed towards willardj.
You incorrectly used your instead of you're several times in your posts. You didn't mistype.
You see, bigrele, you're means you are. Many 10 year olds know this. You don't seem to be aware of this. That's my tip for you. Yes, I know I'm a generous person.
Eagles2007 said January 28, 2008
"unlike you I have more important things to do than get on the internet and research NFL football stories to refute or argue with the likes of you. Unlike you I have a life as eveidence by your so-called grammar checks on my postings" by bigrele
Yes, I can tell you have an interesting life. Is that why you've posted 53 comments on this site in the last 12 days?
You don't even know how to write properly. Is it that difficult to use your and you're correctly? Or do you simply not know the difference between the two? Why do you write like a fourth grade student?
You're obsessed with me. That's why you mentioned me on other articles on this site. Example:
Article: Westbrook requesting more playmakers:
Post #15 by bigrele:
"You got those morons eagles2007 & willardj posting on the McNabb blog sounding like a bunch of moronic jerks spouting off nothing but BS left & right like they know football. What a bunch of blowhard freakin losers!"
If you're not obsessed, then don't reply to this post.
I'm flattered that you now end your posts with what I originally wrote here in post # 224.1.3.4.:
Have a nice day.
You've used it three times here in the past two days. You can use it to end every post, if you wish. You're clearly impressed with me. You're not alone. Thanks. ; )
steve01 said January 29, 2008
Eagles2007 replied January 29, 2008
Wait, I'll find a ten year girl that you can attempt to destroy. You don't have the courage to go head to head with me. She's smarter than you. She's tougher than you. She's more mature than you.
steve01, please don't run away from a ten year old girl ... like you ran away from me.
She's waiting for you. Whenever you're ready, steve01.
Eagles2007 said January 29, 2008
In post # 88, you said:
"Take a look at the 4 real contenders for the Superbowl this year. What do they have in common. Stud WR's. Manning has Harrison and Wayne. Brady has Moss with a nice number 2 in Stallworth and a perfect number 3 in Welker. Favre has Driver acompanied with 2 very good young WR's. Last but not least it pains me to say, Romo has TO. The huge difference is these teams have Stud WR's who stretch the field and open everything else up for everybody. It does not take rocket science to figure this out."
Your stud WR theory failed miserably. Since you said that ony NE, Dallas, Indy, and GB were the only real contenders, I have a question for you:
Are the Giants a real contender since they beat the Cowboys and the Packers on the road? The Giants are in the Super Bowl, yet, according to you, they're not a contender. I guess the Giants shouldn't bother to play the game.
Wait, I know what you'll say. You'll say that the Giants have Burress, so the stud WR theory was correct. However, Manning isn't as good as McNabb, according to you. I guess you're going to tell me that Burress is a better weapon than Westbrook.
How did the Giants reach the Super Bowl with only one weapon who is rendered useless by a QB who isn't very good and isn't as good as McNabb?
steve01 said January 30, 2008
Now on to your Giants point. Yes I would kill to have Plex in an Eagles jersey. Did you not see what he did in Green Bay? They would not of won that game without him. However, he is not what has gotten them to this point. Eli played apart in it and so has their defense. But, if you are going to sit here and tell me Eli is better than Mcnabb there really isn't anywhere we can take this conversation. Eli threw for 165 yards in the win over Dallas. He is just asked to manage the game and not lose it for them. Their Defense is what got them this far.
Who are they playing against? Oh that's right an undefeated Patriot team. Who has, oh, a stud receiver and a couple more solid ones who look great when Moss commands the attention. So keep trying to tell yourself my receiver theory "failed miserably".
The bottom line is that you are a hater obsessed with driving Mcnabb out of town. Its ok there are plenty of you around. You will all just have to get used to the fact he will be here next year. So my advice is simple. Start working on your game plan for getting him out of here next year...
It has become so bad in this town that people like you would rather watch this team lose behind him just so you could say "I told you so"...than see them win a super bowl behind him....Think about it...Deep down inside you think exactly like that...It will not change until the 5 era is done and we are playing musical QB's for the next 6 years....
Lastly, stop posting your garbage links that you find on the internet. It just emphasizes how much you really do not know about this game...The pro bowl argument makes you look pretty desperate to find anything you can....Mcnabb is an All Pro Quarterback...When healthy he plays at that level. There is no denying that. And no Jeff Garcia is not. He is a system QB who does well during the regular season with a team that does not ask him to do much but complete a couple short slants...To win a Super Bowl on a team not defensive oriented you have to have a QB playing at an All Pro level...In the playoffs teams catch up to your beloved system QB every time....
Sorry I had to take a shot at one of your idols but when is the last time you saw him hit a 20 yrd out across the field??..yea just about never.....
Bring in a Stud WR.....Open the field for Bwest and the other receivers....How can anyone have a problem with that?? Oh...because Mcnabb said it...Well guess what so did BWest...Uh oh! Now we have a conflict of interest... I will give you some time to figure that one out....
willardj said January 30, 2008
"To win a Super Bowl on a team not defensive oriented you have to have a QB playing at an All Pro level...In the playoffs teams catch up to your beloved system QB every time...."
you say how you have some general knowledge of sports, yet you say some of the stupidest things, just like the above quote for instance.
if you are telling me that a system qb doesn't win superbowls then i have no idea where you have been. just look at the '99 st louis rams. mike martz had a great offensive system that basically relied on these great wideouts and running back (tory holt, isaac bruce, marshall faulk). mike martz had a west coast system that basically created "the greatest show on turf" as it was called. kurt warner was a pure system qb that basically did everything the system required, release the ball quickly and accurately, and have the ability to read defenses- mcnabb currently posseses zero of these traits. they won the superbowl over tenesee during their eddie george years. this team's strength definitely was not defense. their powerful offensive system that had these great weapons was able to win it for them.
if we brought in a guy like kevin kolb our offense would still be the same, just as it was when jeff garcia came in (just ask marty morhninweg who was quoted about it in the paper). kevin curtis and reggie brown are not the greatest recievers, but I believe that they are good and would look a lot better with someone else at qb. we have a great offensive line, probably the second greatest weapon in the backfield in the nfl (westbrook), who by the way is very similar to marshall faulk who did a lot of catching out of the backfield. our offensive line has been wonderfully consistent throughout mcnabb's tenure at the eagles, and keeps the talented youth coming in.
i have no idea why you are still here. you keep saying that we need to get a stud wide reciever when it has been proven over and over again that we don't need one.
you have to realize that no so called 'leader' of any team will put down their teammates. only players like to and randy moss and chad johnson do that but they are not team leaders... mcnabb is the qb and basically assumes the team leader spot. what has he done in terms of good leadership this past year? well let's see... he holds a press conference after kevin kolb is drafted just so how he can tell the world that he feels he is being disrespected, no qb has ever done that when another qb gets drafted. if anything they support that qb because they know that he will be their seccessor. then mcnabb tells the world why black qbs are held to higher running standards than white qbs and are stereotyped for being a 'scrambling qb' rather than a 'pocket passer.' no teammate in their right mind would start up an entire controversy right before a new season is about to begin. when jason campbell and vince young did agree at all with mcnabb because they actually have a STRONG MENTALITY, something mcnabb has lacked his entire career, but he always made up for it with his good play. now he cannot do that anymore... even if there is a stereotype, mcnabb knows that this will start up controversy (sometimes he acts as if it is his first year in the league). its not the media that start these controversies IT IS MCNABB. he cannot handle it and therefore must tell it to the rest of the world instead of handling the situation head-on, just like with TO.
this is by far my favorite quote of yours:
"It has become so bad in this town that people like you would rather watch this team lose behind him just so you could say "I told you so"...than see them win a super bowl behind him....Think about it...Deep down inside you think exactly like that...It will not change until the 5 era is done and we are playing musical QB's for the next 6 years.... "
why would any eagles fan root against one of their own players? just because they don't like them doesn't mean you root for them to play badly. all it means is that IF they play badly they will get booed because they have probably been playing badly for a while. it is a shame because mcnabb takes all of those boos personally instead of brushing them off like any other qb at his level. mcnabb takes a "me against the world" by still disliking our town media and fans based off the time we booed when he was drafted. mcnabb can never seem to get that out of his head.
i have written these same stories over and over again yet you never seem to respond to them. lets see if you do that now...
willardj said January 30, 2008
Eagles2007 said January 31, 2008
"Mcnabb is an All Pro Quarterback...When healthy he plays at that level. There is no denying that. And no Jeff Garcia is not."
Yes, you're right. Garcia isn't McNabb. Garcia has been voted to the Pro Bowl more times than McNabb. Does that mean he's better? No. However, Garcia has made the payoffs the last two years. Who were his weapons in Tampa Bay?
Garcia also went 5-2 last year and won a playoff game. The defense was below average last season. The offense got the Eagles into the playoffs. The Eagles ran the same offense with Garcia as they did with McNabb. Garcia knows the west coast offense much better than McNabb.
McNabb was 5-5 last year with the exact same offense. The same offense that struggled so badly this season in the red zone. Why? McNabb was afraid to throw the ball downfield. He was inaccurate and held the ball too long.
This years offense didn't have a healthy LJ Smith, replaced Stallworth with Curtis, and had an offensive line that didn't play as well as they did in 2006. That doesn't explain why the Eagles were so inept in the red zone. What's McNabb's record in the last three years? He's won 50% of his games. So he's been average. A QB should be judged by his record, correct?
"Mcnabb is an All Pro Quarterback...When healthy he plays at that level."
When has he been healthy and when has McNabb played at an All-Pro level?" In case you don't know, All-Pro means one of the top two or three QB's in the league. He's had one All-Pro season: 2004.
"It has become so bad in this town that people like you would rather watch this team lose behind him just so you could say "I told you so"...than see them win a super bowl behind him....Think about it...Deep down inside you think exactly like that."
You're putting words into my mouth. I always root for the Eagles, no matter who is playing QB. Do you really think that I, or other Eagle fans, weren't praying that the Eagles would win the Super Bowl against the Patriots?
Fact: You have no idea how I think about the Eagles or McNabb. I always root for the Eagles and I have watched McNabb play every single game he's ever started as an Eagle. He used to play very well. He won quite a few games with me in the stands. I guess I've seen him play 30-40 games as an Eagle in person. I've never booed him. The only Eagle I ever booed was that loser Kotite brought in to play QB. It was either Pat Ryan or Ken O'Brien.
Burress: "Did you not see what he did in Green Bay? They would not of won that game without him."
True. Who was throwing the ball to him accurately the entire game? Eli Manning. The game conditions were horrible. The temperature was around 0. The Giants wouldn't have won without Eli Manning. Unlike McNabb, he didn't choke in the playoffs.
Who was the favorite when the Eagles played the Bucs and Carolina at home in the NFC Championship game? The Eagles. I was at those two games, cheering for the Eagles in the cold. McNabb played lousy in both games. I saw him throw the ball right into Ronde Barber's hands to end the Tampa Bay game.
A stud WR would help any team. However, look at all of the stud WR's who didn't even make the playoffs. Chad Johnson, Fitzgerald, TJ Housh., Andre Johson, Braylon Edwards, and Torry Holt all stayed home in the post-season.
Look at those WR's who didn't make it to the conference finals. Wayne, Owens, and Harrison. A stud WR doesn't guarantee that a team will beat another team without a stud WR. It doesn't make a team a contender. A stud wr won't take your team to the Super Bowl if the other postions are weak. What's more important, a great offensive line or a stud WR? A great offensive line.
The Patriots have won three Super Bowls. What stud WR's did they have on their roster? Troy Brown? David Givens? Deion Branch? Where is the stud WR in Pittsburgh? How many receptions and TD's does Moss have in the playoffs so far? Two receptions for 32 yards and no TD's. What did Moss do against the Eagles in the NFC Championship game in Philly after the 2004 season? Nothing.
How did the Colts lose in the playoffs every year except last year with all of those great receivers?
What did Owens do against the Giants, who don't have a strong secondary? Four receptions for 49 yards and one TD. Wasn't Owens hurt when the Eagles reached the Super Bowl? How did they win those two playoff games without Owens. They won as a team, with Westbrook as the main weapon and the defense playing well.
You said the Giants defense got them to the Super Bowl. The Eagles defense got them to 4 straight NFC Championship games.
"Sorry I had to take a shot at one of your idols but when is the last time you saw him hit a 20 yrd out across the field??.."
You're putting words in my mouth again. Why would I love Garcia? He played 7 games for the Eagles. It was too expensive too have him play for the Eagles in 2007. Once he was guaranteed to make $5 million or more, I knew he was gone. I didn't have a problem with that.
The only NFL player I idolize besides Eagle players is Brady. He reminds me of Montana
Didn't you once say that McNabb is a 5 time Pro Bowl player? I'm merely stating the facts when I say that he's been voted to the Pro Bowl twice in nine seasons. Sorry it doesn't fit in with your beliefs.
What people fail to understand is that the salary cap precludes the Eagles from getting a Stud WR. How much will Fitzgerald make in 2008. I believe it's around $14 million. You can't bring in a player with that salary without hurting other positions.
Runyan, Thomas, Westbrook, McNabb, Andrews, Cole, Sheppard, Spikes, Brown, Kearse(who will be released), Dawkins, and Curtis cost the Eagles roughly $50 to $60 million. That number will increase if and when the Eagles give Westbrook, Andrews, and Cole new contracts. Do you agree Westbrook, Cole and Andrews are underpaid? If you want a stud WR, say goodbye to adding a pro-bowl defensive end. Dawkins will have to be replaced with an average player with a low salary. They can't simply bring in a pro-bowl receiver and be a contender next year.
There are two big differences between you and me. I take your words and argue that you're incorrect. You tell me what I think and make wild assumptions about my beliefs.
Secondly, you think McNabb is the only person who can lead the Eagles to a Super Bowl. I disagree. He must play better than he has in the past three years for the Eagles to even be considered a contender. He has difficulty staying healthy. McNabb has been knocked out for the season by injuries three times in his nine year career. Twice in the last three years.
I read Westbrook's comments. Is he willing to play at his current salary until his contract expires in order to help the Eagles bring in high priced players? No. Is McNabb willing to accept a pay cut to bring in offensive help? No. Would Westbrook or McNabb let Andrews or Cole go to another team for more weapons? I don't think so.
Players don't even consider that you can't just bring in the top free agents without giving something up. Every Eagle fan wants the Eagles to improve their level of talent. If I had to choose between Jared Allen or a pro bowl receiver, I'd take Allen.
"You will all just have to get used to the fact he will be here next year."
No, I don't have to accept that. I'm not saying that he definitely will be traded. The Eagles will certainly listen to offers from other teams. They didn't draft Kolb to sit on the bench for three years. He will have a chance to start by the beginning of the 2009 season, at the latest. You should learn to accept that.
5snumber1fan said January 31, 2008
Hope more players voices are heard soon and we can do the deed in 2008.
Go EAGLES!!!!
steve01 said January 31, 2008
Why was that Rams offense called the greatest show on turf? Thats right, thet had arguably the best receiving core of all time....You made my point for me...
I guess Brett Farve is not a good leader for publicly saying he wanted more weapons..?? How about Westbrook>?? And your boy Willard gave the perfect hater response..."He was just supporting his teammate"....Hey, any way you guys can justify your thoughts I guess??
Sure guys get booed in Philly...Not like this guy...We already had this argument before...No matter what Mcnabb does you and the rest of Negadelphia will never be behind him...
As for Jeff Garcia...Do not hide your love for this guy and the anger you had when they did not bring him back....And do not downplay Mcnabb's play last year by just stating the record. He had the best stretch of games any QB has ever played in the beginning of 06...You said you watch all of the games...If you did you know it was not him who had cost this team any of those games.....Jeff Garcia came in and did a nice job...But as usual he did not have what it took to win in the playoffs..He is not talented enough and you could see that this year when he was in a so called "system" and a very good running game to protect him (not expose him)...
I guess it was the defense that won all of those playoff games for the Eagles...You will never give 5 any credit. Everyone knows he has lead this team to multiple NFC championship games and a Superbowl...Jimmy Johnson defenses play the best when the team is in the lead. They can pin their ears back and get at the QB while the other team tries to catch up...How many rushing yards did we allow over those years? I am sure you can find an article or two about how they ranked in that catagory....
Let me say it again slowly this time.....When healthy Mcnabb has played at an all-pro level throughout his career. Yes he has been one of the top three QB's in the league for many years. People that watch other games and not just the Eagles realize that. You know, the people who truly love the game. They do not just go to the Link every other Sunday to get totally plastered and boo and complain. I have known guys like you for a long time. 700 level know it alls that do not know cover 2 from cover 3....Do not know what it takes to win games...and certainly do not know a great QB if it slapped them in the face...
Because you only watch the Eagles I will stay on subject...The fact is, is that Mcnabb has already restructured his contract before in order for the team to sign some guys or pay others. Look it up. Once again you better check your facts about the Salary cap this year. After cutting Kearse, Howard...And after giving some contracts out they will be well under the cap and can go after some playmakers...Including Jared Allen and a stud WR...I have always been a proponent of how the Eagles conduct business. They stay under the cap and do not blow it all in one year. There are ways to sign a stud WR and stay under the cap....
Lastly, I am glad you are already starting to talk about 2009. I figured you would have moved on to that.. I am glad you have taken my advice...
willardj replied January 31, 2008
listen to bigrele, stop wasting your time trying to debate anything. it clearly isn't working.
Eagles2007 said January 31, 2008
Is that all you have? You can do better than that. Try again.
steve01 said February 01, 2008
I just find it hard to say a guy that throws for that many yards and that many TD's with as few INT's as he does ...Can not read defenses?? Not to mention the type of receivers he has had to work with while accomplishing all of that....I mean it is not rocket science to see this guy was and is when healthy an elite QB...This whole picture you and Willard try to paint him his totally distorted. You would think he was Mike Vick by some of the comments you have made...He has always made plays with his arm...not just his legs.
I agree at times this system is not best suited for him. I feel it holds him back mostly. He would do much better in a verticle attack... That is not what Andy likes to run with the type of receivers we have. That is why I want a Stud receiver. It opens up the offense. It adds a much needed verticle eliment that has been lacking.
So go ahead again and say I do not respond to your points. That gets pretty old. I think everyone on here can see for themselves who makes the most sense.
willardj replied February 02, 2008
Eagles2007 said February 01, 2008
Comment by steve01:
"The fact is, is that Mcnabb has already restructured his contract before in order for the team to sign some guys or pay others. Look it up."
You're completely wrong. Since you said that McNabb restructured his contract, why don't you find an article that proves that you're right? All you have to do is go to Google and search for proof. It should be easy to find if you're correct.
If he did as you say, the Philadelphia Inquirer and the Philadelphia Daily News would have reported it. I would have heard about it. You can easily go to their website (http://www.philly.com/) and find an article about McNabb and how he restructured his contract to help the Eagles sign more players. You won't find an article because it never happened, except perhaps in your limited brain.
You either just made that up or you really believe it. That's quite amusing. Prove me wrong.
"Once again you better check your facts about the Salary cap this year. After cutting Kearse, Howard...And after giving some contracts out they will be well under the cap and can go after some playmakers...Including Jared Allen and a stud WR"
You obviously have trouble with simple addition and subtraction. There's no way the Eagles can sign a stud WR and Jared Allen without going over the salary cap. The 11 players (not including Kearse) I listed in post # 251 will take up $50 to $60 million of cap space.
In order to sign Allen and a stud WR like Fitzgerald (who will earn $14.59 million in 2008 and $17.355 million in 2009), the Eagles would have to release several players, like Tra Thomas, Brian Dawkins, and Lito Sheppard/Sheldon Brown (at least one of the starting CB's).
They may have to release Spikes as well. The Eagles would then have to replace those four players with rookies or below average veterans making the league minimum. Winston Justice would replace Thomas.
They might be able afford Bernard Berrian. Is he a stud WR? No.
Keep trying, steve01.
Eagles2007 said February 01, 2008
"Once again you better check your facts about the Salary cap this year. After cutting Kearse, Howard...And after giving some contracts out they will be well under the cap and can go after some playmakers...Including Jared Allen and a stud WR"
The Eagles are $12.9 million under the salary cap for 2008. That should increase to $18 to $20 million after releasing Kearse and Howard. They have to sign their draft picks with that money. If they want to retain LJ Smith, they must pay him at least $3.5 million. He'll probably demand $4 to $5 million, not including his signing bonus. Since Fitzgerald is scheduled to earn $14.59 million in 2008, he is too expensive.
Westbrook, Cole, and Andrews are currently underpaid. The Eagles want to have at least $6 to $8 million of cap space in order to give just one of those three players a fair contract. So Jared Allen won't play in Philly next year. The Chiefs will likely put the franchise tag on Allen.
The Eagles can't afford Bernard Berrian. Unless some playmakers are willing to pay for less than they deserve, the Eagles simply can't afford to bring in high profile playmakers. They can only hope that they're able to find an inexpensive gem like Wes Welker, which isn't likely.
I guess McNabb and Westbrook will have to accept reality. The Eagles can't afford to sign a pro bowl caliber player on offense or defense.
steve01, your comment above is obviously ridiculous and incorrect. You should check your facts before writing them. Do you care to make any more suggestions that are factually wrong?
steve01 replied February 03, 2008
Westbrook and Cole will not get new contracts this year. If they were, it would be long term. The cap would not change much this year. Kearse and Howard are gone and maybe even Spikes....That will leave us with 20 + to sign draft picks and free agents...More than enough...
Ok enough about the cap numbers....will you respond to what we were truly talking about?
This is me in post 256:
I just find it hard to say a guy that throws for that many yards and that many TD's with as few INT's as he does ...Can not read defenses?? Not to mention the type of receivers he has had to work with while accomplishing all of that....I mean it is not rocket science to see this guy was and is when healthy an elite QB...This whole picture you and Willard try to paint him his totally distorted. You would think he was Mike Vick by some of the comments you have made...He has always made plays with his arm...not just his legs.
It comes down to us seeing the game different. It comes down to who truly knows the game better.....
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PrincedePhila said February 03, 2008
Eagles2007 said February 03, 2008
ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that the Ravens are pondering a play for McNabb.
If the Ravens decide to go forward, the challenge will be coming up with a trade package that the Eagles would accept.
Many have suspected for months that Philadelphia has been pretending that they plan to keep McNabb in an effort to hijack someone for a couple of first-round picks.
Then again, if Harbaugh is privy to what the Eagles plan to do, he might be in position to help get something done for fair value to all involved.
Eagles2007 replied February 04, 2008
Eagles2007 said February 03, 2008
"I mean it is not rocket science to see this guy was and is when healthy an elite QB...".
"I agree at times this system is not best suited for him. I feel it holds him back mostly. He would do much better in a verticle attack..."
He's performs like an elite QB yet he's playing in a system that holds him back. He would do MUCH better would he be in a different offense? Is McNabb the greatest QB in the history of the NFL? These two comments are conflicting.
He's either an elite QB in the west coast offense or he would be an elite QB in an offense that doesn't depend on decisiveness, timing, and accuracy. You can't have it both ways.
I never said that he can't read a defense. It would be difficult to find anyone who gets paid to follow the NFL and the Eagles who doesn't agree that:
1) McNabb is often inaccurate.
2) He holds on to the ball too long, which results in unnecessary sacks
3) He's afraid to throw the ball downfield unless the receiver is wide open, especially in 2007.
That's why he checks down from his primary receivers and throws so many 3-10 yard passes. I think he's afraid to throw an interception. You won't have many opportunities to throw the ball to a wide open receiver in the NFL. If a receiver has a step or two on the defender, he's open. The QB has to pull the trigger.
McNabb takes too long to make a decision on where to throw the football. He's indecisive. He can read defenses. It just takes longer than a QB who excels at reading defenses. He's a 1/2 second or a second to slow. That's why Garcia was successful as a starter last season. He was decisive. He was accurate. He wasn't afraid to throw the ball downfield. I thought Garcia was going to fail when he became the starter last year. Gradually, he proved me wrong.
If the Eagles defense actually stopped the Saints running game last season, the Eagles would have advanced to the NFC Championship game. I believe they would have lost to the Bears.
However, the fact that the Eagles were one TD away from the NFC Championship last year with a backup QB and a defense that couldn't stop the run tells me that they can be successful without McNabb. They were 5-5 with McNabb. They were 5-2 with Garcia. Both played with the exact same weapons on offense. Both QB's didn't have a great defense to help them win games.
Did the Eagles use Westbrook a little more with Garcia? Of course.
Most teams run the ball more as the weather gets worse in December. That's what the Patriots did this season. They hardly even attempted to run the ball before December. They had five WR's, an empty backfield, and Brady in the shotgun practically every play of every game before December. McNabb and Garcia both ran the exact same offense. Morninweg has said that several times.
I believe there are other QB's who can be more successful running the west cost offense than McNabb. I'm not talking about Garcia. The Eagles can find a better QB than Garcia. Feeley led the offense to 7 TD's in two games against two of the best defenses the Eagles faced all season.
How many times did the Eagles score more than 17 points with McNabb? Four times in 13 games. Feeley did it twice in two games. He was willing to take a chance and throw the ball downfield. However, we're talking about AJ Feeley. His isn't a good QB. I think the seven interceptions he threw in just two games prove that.
I'm sure I can't convince you of this. I could argue this point for months. We just disagree.
willardj said February 03, 2008
steve01 said February 04, 2008
1) McNabb is often inaccurate.---career 58.7 completion percentage...also 64% in 2004 with TO (stud receiver) and 61% this past year....
2) He holds on to the ball too long, which results in unnecessary sacks---product of being injured, not to mention 12 in one game because of a porous and injured offensive line...
3) He's afraid to throw the ball downfield unless the receiver is wide open, especially in 2007. ----Never in his career has he been hesitant to throw the long ball. In fact that is what Mcnabb was known throughout the league for. This year however, he was due to our receivers lack of seperation.
It just takes longer than a QB who excels at reading defenses. He's a 1/2 second or a second to slow.----Completely unfounded and false...The only reason Garcia excelled was we used Westbrook more as we always should have. If you didn't see a change in play calling then you really do not know what your looking at.
If the Eagles defense actually stopped the Saints running game last season, the Eagles would have advanced to the NFC Championship game. ----If Dmac played in that game we would have won....Garcia could not make the throws downfield that needed to be made. It was obvious just as it was this year he can not take it to the next level...
Feeley led the offense to 7 TD's in two games against two of the best defenses the Eagles faced all season. ----Talk about having it both ways....In the next sentance you talk about the 7 picks in two games he threw...Just stop it!! There is no comparing this guy to Mcnabb.....AJ was willing to take a chance because he had nothing to lose...in the meanwhile we went 0-2.....
I'm sure I can't convince you of this. I could argue this point for months. We just disagree. ----I couldnt say it better myself....
ps...tell your little brother Willard to just stop...he hurts your argument most of the time....
steve01 said February 04, 2008
The Eagles are $12.9 million under the salary cap for 2008. That should increase to $18 to $20 million after releasing Kearse and Howard. They have to sign their draft picks with that money. If they want to retain LJ Smith, they must pay him at least $3.5 million. He'll probably demand $4 to $5 million, not including his signing bonus. Since Fitzgerald is scheduled to earn $14.59 million in 2008, he is too expensive..
Here is a great website for you to check out. http://www.eaglescap.com/......
The Eagles are over 19 million under the cap.....Kearse and Howard are due 9.7 and 3.3 million respectively....that puts us well over 30 million...that is plenty of room to make a splash in FA and sign draft picks.....
Eagles2007 replied February 20, 2008
Finally, you were completely wrong about how much the Eagles have in cap space right now. The number is $12 Million - http://www.eaglescap.com/Charts/2008Chart.html
Domowitch was correct, and your great website was wrong. Please make sure that you have youur facts correct when you purport that I'm incorrect.
setondan123 said February 04, 2008
Eaglefan915 said February 04, 2008
Sincerely with thought,
Luis Fernandes
CcLoVeR17 said February 04, 2008
Eagles2007 said February 05, 2008
I found the number $12.9 million from the Philadelphia Daily News. Paul Domowitch reported last Thursday or Friday that the Eagles were $12.9 million under the salary cap.
I emailed him to confirm this number. He replied that he got that number from an NFL GM last week. Domowitch says that $12.9 is the number right now. I trust him more than your source, Bryce Johnson.
The NFL has yet to reveal what the salary cap will be in 2008. I went to a web site called askthecommish.com today. (http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp). Their number is $17.17 million, as of Dec. 27, 2007. They have the cap numbers for all 32 teams. In 2008, the salary cap looks to be approximately $116 Million.
Just above their list of teams, the following comment reads:
"Keep in mind that these numbers remain tentative -- and are changing on a daily basis. These "unofficial" figures are approximate as of December 27, 2007 and were compiled from various media sources including the NFLPA, ESPN and Sports Illustrated."
It's hard to get real facts regarding the salary cap. I'll believe Domowitch or askthecommish.com until they're proven incorrect.
So we have three different numbers. Unfortunately, I don't have Joe Banner's number. You found the number $19.9 million from a web site written by Bryce Johnson. I've never heard of him.
Look at the salaries of Westbrook, Cole, and Andrews. They're all grossly underpaid. We do know the Eagles have always kept roughly $6 to $10 million in order to give current players new contracts. I suspect that at least two of these players will get a new contract before or during the 2008 season.
Have you forgotten about the signing bonus? When the Eagles give at least two of these players a new contract before the end of the 2008 season, it will take up a good amount of cap space. So will LJ smith. The Eagles can prorate the signing bonus; however, these contracts will still take a good bite out of the money the Eagles have to sign players under the salary cap.
The Eagles can only hope to sign Bernard Berrian, Javon Walker, or Donte Stallworth. If they do, they won't be able to sign another big name free agent. The Eagles will want to have $6 to $10 million of cap space available after signing their own restricted and unrestricted free agents, their draft picks, and free agent from other teams.
Did you notice that there are twenty one teams with more cap space than the Eagles? That means that those teams will have a good chance of signing any of their own free agents if they so desire. So the Eagles aren't in a good position to throw more money at a player they'd like to sign without another team matching or exceeding the Eagles offer.
There isn't a free agent who has publicly stated that he wants to play with McNabb and the Philadelphia Eagles. The amount of money the Eagles have to sign players, relative to the rest of the NFL, isn't enough to allow them to sign other team's big name free agents.
"McNabb… career 58.7 completion percentage...also 64% in 2004 with TO (stud receiver) and 61% this past year...."
Brad Childress, the Eagles former Offensive coordinator, has publicly stated several times that a good QB in the west coast offense should complete at least 60 % of his passes. He also said that the number should be around 62%.
The west coast offense is a passer friendly offense that depends on high percentage passes. The only reason McNabb completed 61% of his passes in 2007 is that he threw so many short passes. It's not that hard to complete 61% of your throws when you consistently throw the ball three yards on third and nine or eight yards on third and ten.
Post #88 by steve01:
"Wake up Haters!!!? Get over yourselves. Take a look at the 4 real contenders for the Superbowl this year. What do they have in common. Stud WR's. Manning has Harrison and Wayne. Brady has Moss with a nice number 2 in Stallworth and a perfect number 3 in Welker. Favre has Driver acompanied with 2 very good young WR's. Last but not least it pains me to say, Romo has TO. The huge difference is these teams have Stud WR's who stretch the field and open everything else up for everybody. It does not take rocket science to figure this out. It is time for the Haters to let go of their ill will toward this guy. Get behind him and maybe we can bring one home for Philly!"
I guess you forgot to mention the Giants. Since they won the Super Bowl with a QB isn't as good as McNabb, according to you, and only one legitimate threat, I think it's safe to call them a contender. The Giants beat three of your REAL contenders who had stud WR's: Dallas, Green Bay, and New England. The Chargers beat your other REAL contender, the Colts, without a stud WR, a gimpy Antonio Gates, and without LT.
How did the stud WR theory work out in the playoffs? It failed, just like every other year in the playoffs. Except for the Colts in 2006. Randy Moss had seven receptions for 96 yards and one TD in THREE playoff games?
Don't even try to tell me that he was double covered, which opened up opportunities for other receivers. Moss wasn't a factor in the playoffs. Neither were the other WR's in the Super Bowl. Moss is the best WR and has Brady, the best QB in the league, as his QB.
The Patriots scored 20 and 14 points against the Chargers and the Giants, respectively. How were the Jaguars, Chargers, and Giants able to take Moss out of the game without giving up big plays to the other Patriot receivers? They double-teamed Moss and put pressure on Brady. A stud WR can be taken out of the game rather easily by a good defense, especially with a QB like McNabb.
The best QB in the league and the best WR could only score 14 points in the Super Bowl. The Eagles won't even have a chance to sign one of the ten best WR's in the league and McNabb sure isn't one of the top ten QB's in the league. How will the Eagles offense fare in the playoffs if they had a stud WR? Not very well with McNabb pulling the trigger.
Post 241.1.3.3 by steve01:
"All we are saying is add a weapon at wide out and have mcnabb come back completely healthy and we will be even better than just top ten. How couldn't we be?"
Very easily. The Eagles don't have a Pro Bowl (one of the top eight) QB.
This is part of what I wrote in post # 251. Why don't you address these comments?
"A stud WR would help any team. However, look at all of the stud WR's who didn't even make the playoffs. Chad Johnson, Fitzgerald, TJ Housh., Andre Johson, Braylon Edwards, and Torry Holt all stayed home in the post-season.
Look at those WR's who didn't make it to the conference finals. Wayne, Owens, and Harrison. A stud WR doesn't guarantee that a team will beat another team without a stud WR. It doesn't make a team a contender. A stud wr won't take your team to the Super Bowl if the other positions are weak. What's more important, a great offensive line or a stud WR? A great offensive line.
The Patriots have won three Super Bowls. What stud WR's did they have on their roster? Troy Brown? David Givens? Deion Branch? Where is the stud WR in Pittsburgh? How many receptions and TD's does Moss have in the playoffs so far? Two receptions for 32 yards and no TD's. What did Moss do against the Eagles in the NFC Championship game in Philly after the 2004 season? Nothing.
How did the Colts lose in the playoffs every year except last year with all of those great receivers?
What did Owens do against the Giants, who don't have a strong secondary? Four receptions for 49 yards and one TD. Wasn't Owens hurt when the Eagles reached the Super Bowl? How did they win those two playoff games without Owens. They won as a team, with Westbrook as the main weapon and the defense playing well. "
Is a great defensive line more important than a great group of WR's? Yes. The Giants proved that by beating the Patriots. The Colts also proved this by losing in the playoffs every year except last year with great WR's/TE.
Didn't the Eagles lose to the Patriots in the Super Bowl? The Patriots WR's were Troy Brown, David Patten, Deion Branch, and David Givens. The Eagles had Owens and Westbrook, yet still lost. How did that happen? I thought a Stud WR along with Westbrook and your boy McNabb would guarantee an Eagle victory.
steve01, please answer the questions above.
Post # 253 by steve01:
"Why was that Rams offense called the greatest show on turf? Thats right, thet had arguably the best receiving core of all time....You made my point for me..."
Who did the Rams lose to in the Super Bowl? The Patriots, who hade those stud WR's like Troy Brown, David Patten, and Davis Givens. Thanks. You made MY point for me. The greatest collection of WR's and a Pro Bowl QB of all time lost to a bunch of average WR's and a second year QB.
Following quotes from Post # 266 by steve01:
"He's performs like an elite QB yet he's playing in a system that holds him back. He would do MUCH better would he be in a different offense?---------Yes he has performed at an elite level with bad receivers and an offense that does not best suit him. Any other questions??"
Yes. How can he or any other QB play better than an elite QB? Will he play like an alien? Will he play like a robot created to play QB? Will he play better than any other QB in the history of the NFL? Elite means the small group who are the best of all players.
"...The only reason Garcia excelled was we used Westbrook more as we always should have. If you didn't see a change in play calling then you really do not know what your looking at."
You're in denial. Garcia was running the exact same offense. He also went 5-2 while McNabb went 5-5. As you said in post # 256, the game is all about winning. It's quite common for an NFL team to run the ball more in December. Westbrook was healthy when McNabb was the starter, correct? They both played with the same offensive weapons.
"If Dmac played in that game (last year's divisional playoff game against the Saints) we would have won....Garcia could not make the throws downfield that needed to be made. It was obvious just as it was this year he can not take it to the next level..."
McNabb lost to the Saints in the regular season last year by the same score as Garcia, 24-27. The Eagles wouldn't have made the playoffs last year if McNabb played the whole season. Why? He was 5-5 as the starter last year.
Like I said in post # 264:
"Most teams run the ball more as the weather gets worse in December. That's what the Patriots did this season. They hardly even attempted to run the ball before December. They had five WR's, an empty backfield, and Brady in the shotgun practically every play of every game before December."
Do you care to challenge this comment?
"Feeley led the offense to 7 TD's in two games against two of the best defenses the Eagles faced all season. ----Talk about having it both ways....In the next sentance you talk about the 7 picks in two games he threw...Just stop it!! There is no comparing this guy to McNabb.....AJ was willing to take a chance because he had nothing to lose...in the meanwhile we went 0-2....."
I said that Feeley isn't a good QB. My point is that a good QB could score just as many TD's without so many interceptions.
My comment:
"How many times did the Eagles score more than 17 points with McNabb? Four times in 13 games. Feeley did it twice in two games. He was willing to take a chance and throw the ball downfield. However, we're talking about AJ Feeley. His isn't a good QB. I think the seven interceptions he threw in just two games prove that."
McNabb would have lost to the Patriots and Seattle as well. Three of the four teams McNabb scored more than 17 points against were three of the worst passing defenses in the NFL:
Minnesota, Detroit, and New Orleans. Feeley led the offense to seven TD's against two of the best passing defenses in the NFL.
Brady has won three Super Bowls with average WR's and average RB's ( Smith and Dillon). He's never had a RB who's nearly as talented as Westbrook. The one year that Brady had great WR's was this year. He lost to Eli Manning.
Post # 245 by steve01:
"Eli played apart in it and so has their defense. But, if you are going to sit here and tell me Eli is better than Mcnabb there really isn't anywhere we can take this conversation. Eli threw for 165 yards in the win over Dallas. He is just asked to manage the game and not lose it for them."
You're right. Manning didn't really lead the Giants to a Super Bowl victory by driving down the field with less than two minutes left. He didn't really throw the game winning TD in the biggest game in the NFL. He didn't deserve to be named MVP in his first Super Bowl appearance against a great team. He just managed the game and didn't lose it for them. Do you mean like McNabb lost the Super Bowl by throwing three interceptions?
Manning won a Super Bowl in his fourth season against the only team in NFL history to win 18 straight games in one season.
As you said in post # 248:
"Oh that's right an undefeated Patriot team. Who has, oh, a stud receiver and a couple more solid ones who look great when Moss commands the attention. So keep trying to tell yourself my receiver theory "failed miserably".
How did the Patriots offense perform in the Super Bowl against Eli Manning and the Giants? They scored 14 points.
I apologize to everyone for my verbose post. There was a tremendous amount of copying and pasting. It's just that steve01 is wrong about so many different topics. He gives me too much ammunition.
FantheMan said February 05, 2008
tomk23 said February 05, 2008
steve01 said February 06, 2008
Did you notice that there are twenty one teams with more cap space than the Eagles?---yes but if you do your research you will see that the eagles are one of the teams that have the most players signed.
There isn't a free agent who has publicly stated that he wants to play with McNabb and the Philadelphia Eagles----What the hell are you trying to imply? There are multiple players who are under contract that have came out and said they would like to play for the eagles>>>
How will the Eagles offense fare in the playoffs if they had a stud WR?-------It will do very well...Everyone on here sees that you know nothing about the game....A number one wide out in this offense makes a huge difference. The defense would have to use atleast 2 of its defenders on him at all times....This leaves the middle wide open for one of the most dangerous running backs in the league...I can not state it any more plainly....You just do not see it...Why dont you write to your buddy Paul and see what he thinks,,,,Since you have so much time on your hands to do so...
"A stud WR would help any team. However, look at all of the stud WR's who didn't even make the playoffs. Chad Johnson, Fitzgerald, TJ Housh., Andre Johson, Braylon Edwards, and Torry Holt all stayed home in the post-season.-----That is simple to address.....All of these teams had many pieces missing. Defenses were suspect along with certain parts of their offense....I believe we have the pieces to win here now if we make a couple of good moves this off-season...Did I address it now>?
Most teams run the ball more as the weather gets worse in December. That's what the Patriots did this season. They hardly even attempted to run the ball before December. They had five WR's, an empty backfield, and Brady in the shotgun practically every play of every game before December."
Do you care to challenge this comment?----Nope...I agree.
Your post was way too long and did not give much substance...Lastly I will say that you are an idiot if you think it was Eli Manning who won the bowl for his team....After Asante Samuel dropped the game ending interception, Eli threw up a prayer to a guy who made the catch of the century...Than hit Plex (Stud receiver) when he was one on one with a much shorter dback....THE DEFENSE WON THAT GAME!! The dline owned the pats o-line...There is no comparison between dmac and ELI....Once again you do not know the game...But call one of your boys from the daily spews i am sure they can explain it to you....
blackknight said February 06, 2008
One more thing that I don't like is that Andy Reid has literally taken over GM Tom Heckert's job. Instead of Tom having the final say, it's now Coach Reid having the final say, and all Andy Reid wants is linemen, offensively and defensively. True, there are times when the Eagles are going to need linemen. But linemen are not the only problem, it is also not having adequit playmakers. It's not good business when you give someone a 30 million dollar contract and they are a back-up (not to throw under the bus, but that player is Matt Schobel. He can play, but a 30 million dollar contract to be a back-up? That is not good business!) or they sign someone "they like". You do not sign someone you "like", you sign someone who can play and make the players around him better and the team better has a whole!
Eagles2007 said February 06, 2008
Once again, you're incorrect.
Post # 267 by steve01:
"Get your facts correct: You said this...
The Eagles are over 19 million under the cap.....Kearse and Howard are due 9.7 and 3.3 million respectively....that puts us well over 30 million...that is plenty of room to make a splash in FA and sign draft picks....."
steve01,
If you make an attempt to correct me, at least make sure you are right. In this case, you are completely wrong. The Eagles will not have an extra $9.7 million by releasing Kearse. The Eagles will only reduce $2 Million by releasing Kearse. You see, life is not as simple as black and white. There are various shades of grey.
I would explain to you. However, you wouldn't understand. Figure it out for yourself. You're wrong. Go ahead – try to tell me that you're right. Try to prove to me that you're correct about how much cap space the Eagles will have by releasing Kearse. Why don't you email someone who actually knows something about the Eagles salary cap? I want you to say that I'm wrong. I know for a fact that I'm correct.
Clearly, you don't know very much about professional football. First you make up this story that McNabb has already restructures his contract in order to help the Eagles sign other free agents.
Now you're addition is off by roughly $7 million.
Although you're not as stupid as bigrele, it's much closer than I first suspected. You think you know a lot about football and the NFL. You're an amateur. You make it so easy for me to correct you. Your opinions are a reflection of how truly ignorant you are about the NFL.
Eagles2007 said February 06, 2008
Thanks. You have proved that I'm correct by not answering simple questions. It's obvious that you don't know how to respond to my comments in post # 272.
You don't know very much about professional football. You should post messages about a sport that you actually understand. I guess Pro Football is just too complicated for you.
I'm sure everyone who watched the Super Bowl would agree that Manning didn't win the game for the Giants. That's why every player on the Giants defensive line said that Eli Manning deserved to win the Super Bowl MVP.
You believe what you want to believe. You discard everything else. Keep telling yourself that you know what you're talking about. I guess that makes it easier for you to deal with your ingnorance.
I destroyed you. You're not capable of even making it slightly difficult for me to show that you don't know what you're talking about.
steve01 said February 06, 2008
Let me clarify the statement about those teams missing pieces: Cincinati had no defense and a shaky oline...The cardinals are the cardinals..they have so many needs.....the rams were the walking wounded all year with an already bad oline....
One other thing: You said:
How did they win those two playoff games without Owens. They won as a team, with Westbrook as the main weapon and the defense playing well. ----will you ever give Mcnabb any credit for anything? No...you are just a narrow minded hater....
And no I would not trust Paul Dom more than the next guy so we will see who is right about the cap sooner or later....
Eagles2007 replied February 20, 2008
You were wrong about how much cap space the Eagles currently have, as of Feb. 20, 2008.
The number is $12 million. http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008capfigures.htm
You corrected me on three different occassions. You were wrong all three times. Please check your facts in the future.
hazean said February 11, 2008
http://hazeradio.wordpress.com/2008/01/28/update-th-nfl-mock-draft/
smokemaster704 said February 13, 2008
Stay healthy this year and the MVP is yours! Pick up yoga and drink more milk! One love!
natesparks said February 14, 2008
eaglesfan56 said February 15, 2008
Truth4sho said January 08, 2008
You always keep in mind that others are watching and you carry the Franchise position with the class it takes and we all appreciate that.
I DON'T HAVE THAT BURDEN !! ( LOL ) so let me be frank with you and others for a moment. Reggie Brown sounded dumb as Hell talking about leave the Wide Recievers alone and put that issue to rest. That dude caught 4 TD's and that's just piss poor when you consider he is the #1 reciever and making all that money. Besides the fact that every other team in that smaller division has BIG PLAYMAKERS , From Santana to T.O. to Plex and we have ( reggie ) ,
Now the #2 spot with Curtis is solid. he does not command double coverage and there are other spots to consider on the team as well. We have to consider Dawkins in a few , Not now fa sho, he still got a year or two. but I HOPE the Eagles won't give away the first round AGAIN this year like last year ( and to Dallas @ that) That was stupid as F*ck !
I'm glad they woke up and decided to keep you in philly even though they deflected all of Andy f*cked up family life and threw you under the bus all season.
It's just that the Eagles are wasting time and You and Westbrook have a limited time to do it. Westbrook's time as a running back is not as long as a QB and we can't rely upon draft picks to develop. The Eagles need free agents and the players need to look at the timeline and not hurting someones feelings. I know it's uncomfortable to say certain things however this is the REAL WORLD and sometimes trades and cuts are needed move forward. There was NO ONE on that team that cared when they were throwing the trade McNabb stories all over the place a few WEEKS AGO.
Let us know through Yardbarker who you would like throw to ? I'll ask the question ?
Holla
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Dizzle said April 13, 2008
D-MAC= The Best QB in the NFL
D*Dizzle